Who would sell a ‘ground dug’ German helmet or a ‘ground found digged out’ ring?

Or, as Michael Schmalenströr and the Pink Agendist ask, ‘which non-Nazi seriously wants to have a Wehrmacht helmet, SS insignia or Nazi daggers lying around [Welcher Nicht-Nazi will ernsthaft einen Wehrmachtshelm, SS-Insignien oder Nazidolche bei sich rumliegen haben]?’ And ‘how do they display it?

[N.B., Wehrmacht Awards forum readers: I am not insinuating that all collectors of German militaria are Nazi collectors. Many outsiders literally cannot understand why non-Nazis would collect Nazi militaria. Are they trying to build a representative collection of militaria from all of the armies? Do they specialise in German militaria? Why did they choose German militaria instead of Russian, American…? Where do they put them? How do they “use” them (display them, occasionally take them out of a box and look at them)? Etc. Many outsiders simply would not want to be near or look at things that symbolised inhuman ideologies (and, in the case of SS objects, things that were worn and used to commit inhuman acts).]

Since Paul Barford’s discovery and the consequent legal questions for Craig Gottlieb, ClearStory, National Geographic Channels International and the Fox Entertainment Group, I’ve found more evidence of Craig Gottlieb’s looting, smuggling and illicit sale, and documented a longer history of questionable activity.

Update (26th December 2014): a note of explanation

Latvian law requires newly-discovered antiquities to be reported to the state, which then decides upon the antiquities’ registration and state protection. Whether or not they are state-protected, it is ‘prohibited to export cultural monuments from the Republic of Latvia’.

Polish law maintains ‘state ownership of all archaeological finds’, ‘forbids any amateur search for artefacts, either for commercial or for personal use’, ‘prevents the dispersion of collections, prohibits the trade in antiquities, and makes creating private collections of archaeological finds illegal’.

No exceptional licences were presented or claimed. On that basis, I characterised apparently contrary activities as illicit activities. Naturally, if such licences are presented, or if an official or expert states that such licences were not necessary in these cases, I will correct my characterisations.

‘Ground-dug’ helmets and rings

For example, by the 2nd of March 2014, he had sold a ‘ground dug’ German M42 army helmet through History Hunter Auctions.

On the 18th of February 2014, Gottlieb posted a ‘ground found digged out [sic]’ ring in the German Daggers forum, which the ‘owner [looter and seller]’ had found in a battlefield near Szczecin in Poland. He continued to ‘find… new and new to buy’ antiquities in Poland at least up until the 6th of March.

(That ring had ‘ALPACCA‘ marked inside. The Pink Agendist has commented that it ‘will most probably be of Spanish or Latin American origin (rather than German), as that’s the Spanish hallmark/word for nickel silver’.)

A history of trading in the remains of violence

He has a long history of dealing in questionable material. By 2007, he had acquired Gestapo disk #2109 (‘Reference only. Sold or not for sale.‘), which ‘was either ground-dug, or else was not stored properly in the intervening years since it was carried by a Gestapo member’; the authenticator judged that it was original and had ‘possibly been buried for a long period, and then cleaned’.

In 2003, Raz claimed that ‘Craig Gottlieb has a stunner with full research and HR award doc, check in the militaria section: http://www.craiggottlieb.com He also had one in the classifieds on GDC [German Daggers] for a more affordable $5500 that was ground dug.’

At least for some of Gottlieb’s objects, there is an alternative explanation: militaria collectors across the web decry him as a ‘false or misleading‘, ‘confirmed liar/fraudster‘; but that “defence” seems implausible for his sideline in looting and/or buying looted dead soldiers’ property from historic battlefields in Latvia and Poland (and perhaps elsewhere). Where else did Nazi War Diggers work for ClearStory, National Geographic Channels International and the Fox Entertainment Group?

(Paul Barford’s also asked important questions about Nazi War Diggers’ intended work in Poland, and explained the law against dealing in weapons.)

The names of places and the place of names in history

Barford feels Gottlieb’s exclusive use of old German names for long Polish places is ‘incredibly aggressively revisionist‘. I think it’s ignorant and lazy, indicative of someone who has gone to Poland with a metal detector and an old German map with battlefields marked on it, who doesn’t know and doesn’t care what these places are or even what they were, except for as a seam of antiquities for him to mine.

If his defence is that he used Stettin to show that he was at the archaeological site rather than in the city (the same way you might be in Istanbul and write about Constantinople), why did he use Alte Babitz rather than Stare Babice (and only the German name rather than both the German and the Slavic ones)?

Texts (and screen-grabs) of posts

‘Come on this one is ground found digged out durring the exploration of the battelfiield near Stettin [Szczecin, Poland, which he posted while in Stare Babice (Alte Babitz) in Poland]. This I was told by the owner. I have few more WESTWALL rings from this guy wchich are OK. I just do not know this pattern therefore I ask You for help.’

Still finding new and new to buy. What do You think of this one ?’

REFERENCE ONLY. (SOLD or NOT FOR SALE)
This Gestapo Disk is 100% original, and comes complete with a Don Bible certificate of authenticity. Disk is a low 4 digit number (a big bonus) and shows minor surface pitting (see the photos). It is my opinion that this disk was either ground-dug, or else was not stored properly in the intervening years since it was carried by a Gestapo member. Chain is period, also made of Nickel, but in my opinion has been added at some point (because there is no wear or damage to the chain). If you want a real disk, without the huge pricetag, this is the piece for you.

‘Craig Gottlieb has a stunner with full research and HR award doc, check in the militaria section: http://www.craiggottlieb.com He also had one in the classifieds on GDC [German Daggers] for a more affordable $5500 that was ground dug.’

'Still finding new and new to buy. What do You think of this one ?' (c) Craig Gottlieb, 6th March 2014

‘Still finding new and new to buy. What do You think of this one ?’
(c) Craig Gottlieb, 6th March 2014

'M42 army helmet, ground-dug' (c) Craig Gottlieb, 2nd March 2014

‘M42 army helmet, ground-dug’
(c) Craig Gottlieb, 2nd March 2014

'this one is ground found digged out durring the exploration of the battelfiield near Stettin' (c) Craig Gottlieb, 18th February 2014

‘this one is ground found digged out durring the exploration of the battelfiield near Stettin [sic]’
(c) Craig Gottlieb, 18th February 2014

'this disk was either ground-dug, or else was not stored properly in the intervening years since it was carried by a Gestapo member' (c) Craig Gottlieb (no date)

‘this disk was either ground-dug, or else was not stored properly in the intervening years since it was carried by a Gestapo member’
(c) Craig Gottlieb (no date)

'He also had one in the classifieds on GDC for a more affordable $5500 that was ground dug' (c) Raz, 22nd February 2003

‘He also had one in the classifieds on GDC for a more affordable $5500 that was ground dug’
(c) Raz, 22nd February 2003

11 Responses to “Who would sell a ‘ground dug’ German helmet or a ‘ground found digged out’ ring?”

  1. Doesn’t Germany have an archeological importance law? I’m sure Poland has rather severe restrictions. According to what you posted yesterday, he went as far as to move items to Finland to have them sent to the US from there- so he knows what he’s doing and obviously attempting to circumvent regulations.
    Side note: A ring marked ALPACA, will most probably be of Spanish or Latin American origin (rather than German), as that’s the Spanish hallmark/word for nickel silver.

  2. O, My God! Sam, are You idiot…?:D

  3. If he’s the same viktors duk who wrote diggers then I’m sure he’s impressed with his mates handling remains like ‘sacred objects’ … http://www.bosonbooks.com/boson/nonfiction/diggers/diggers.html

  4. Just found the best Gottlieb quote ever (on the alleged Mengele passport): http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=717482&highlight=craig+gottleib
    “This was a self-authenticating artifact.”
    Isn’t that amazing? I wonder if the next time I’m asked to authenticate something I can get away with “It’s self-authenticating!”
    Dear Client,
    Just tell the auction house the item authenticated itself last night. The fact that those paints weren’t produced in the lifetime of the artist is irrelevant as I just know I’m right!

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